The October Version Update is Coming Soon! (09/24/2014)

[dasva]

I.lv Carbuncle Prime would be worse than Absolute Virtue

Exactly it would be so delicious

[Draylo]

I kinda wanna try Waking the Beast now, see if I can solo Carby Prime. I could solo the avatars easily back when I was just 99, so I imagine 20 levels might make up the difference.

Still can't eat 5 searing lights at once though.

I did it a while back at 85 or 90 cap on BLU, searing light doesn't do much.

[ccl]

How can people not be exited about this update ? ilvl avatar might be awesome/fun. Also if you didn't like the Incursion update; I thhtink this game isn't for you anymore.

I was really dissapointed when they announced alluvion skirmish being wpn only, been since then I have been pretty happy with incursion and now new ilvl avatar can be awesome; if they are merit fight and have decent drop/challenge, this update could add as much content as AA did back then.

edit: if it's done right, they could add all single avatar like AA and then add that carbuncle fight in la theine as a DM like content.

[Tarage]

I did it a while back at 85 or 90 cap on BLU, searing light doesn't do much.

I was on Summoner. We are made of paper.

[Bukadan]

smn, too, can wear 50% dt sets.

[dasva]

You might be made of paper but I'm fairly certain an 99 smn is at least as durable than a 85 blu though I doubt many smn gear for it and solo the way Draylo does his blu... regardless though just talking about searing light hitting capped mdt has always been super easy and even at 75 as a token rdm I survived 4 (somehow I managed to barely be out of range of the 5th or something or it just never hit the chat log and I ate all 5) and I wasn't even wearing mdt gear just shell v and stoneskin and mage gear on

[Draylo]

How can people not be exited about this update ? ilvl avatar might be awesome/fun. Also if you didn't like the Incursion update; I thhtink this game isn't for you anymore.

I was really dissapointed when they announced alluvion skirmish being wpn only, been since then I have been pretty happy with incursion and now new ilvl avatar can be awesome; if they are merit fight and have decent drop/challenge, this update could add as much content as AA did back then.

edit: if it's done right, they could add all single avatar like AA and then add that carbuncle fight in la theine as a DM like content.

I know, I just think its the "cool" thing to hate on XI any chance they get lol, especially that one poster, all his are negative. I like the avatar fights idea, maybe some new models with glowing avatar weapons, one can hope lol

[Byrthnoth]

it's actually so strong that a Koga SAM using a proper hit build is actually hurt by the 2 second WS delay pretty significantly. may as well just swap SAM's auto attacks to fudo and give an ability that lets you make an instant 5step skillchain

ftr, almost every job is hurt significantly by the WS delay at the haste cap. DNC's DPS would increase by 50% if the WS delay was reduced to 0 seconds.

[dasva]

ftr, almost every job is hurt significantly by the WS delay at the haste cap. DNC's DPS would increase by 50% if the WS delay was reduced to 0 seconds.

How much would dnc go up if ja AND ws delay were killed?

[Byrthnoth]

Motenten's sheet doesn't model JA delay, so WS delay is the only thing that can be adjusted. That's why DNC always has DPS comparable to MNK, WAR, etc. on the spreadsheet and not as much in practice.

[Treize Kordero]

Almost forgot about the Combat Skill changes... I wonder what they will do for Dancer and the other jobs. I'm hoping for something good and interesting. Can I have a B+ in H2H for Dancer? Always enjoyed punching shit as DNC/MNK. Too bad our only ilvl h2h is Eminent Baghnakhs then there's the no Martial Arts... /MNK only gives up to 3 lvls.

Interested to see what they plan to change especially with Dual Wield. I get the feeling though they are going to increase DNC throwing skill and give them that throwing-kick attacks trait they want to give NIN. Chakram away!! *Xena War Cry*

[Kincard]

I'm guessing the NIN JT will be throwing ammo only since they want people to use Shurikens or whatever. That's the other thing, unless they add shuriken with some interesting stats on them they'll also be giving up Yetshila to be holding the shuriken. Might actually end up being weaker to get a random shuriken thrown 10% of your autoattack rounds or whatever unless they know what they're doing.

[Tarage]

A thought occurs to me. What if the only way to unlock the new elemental avatar abilities, such as Hastega II, is to beat the respective avatar in these new fights? That might be one way of doing it.

[Treize Kordero]

A thought occurs to me. What if the only way to unlock the new elemental avatar abilities, such as Hastega II, is to beat the respective avatar in these new fights? That might be one way of doing it.

XD You giving them ideas... unless that's what you want. It would extend the longevity of the battlefields if there's not much good drops.

[dasva]

I'm guessing the NIN JT will be throwing ammo only since they want people to use Shurikens or whatever. That's the other thing, unless they add shuriken with some interesting stats on them they'll also be giving up Yetshila to be holding the shuriken. Might actually end up being weaker to get a random shuriken thrown 10% of your autoattack rounds or whatever unless they know what they're doing.

I believe they said somewhere that it was going to be shuriken but that it wouldn't consume. I do believe they mentioned adding ilvl skill on their and maybe some racc but idk about anything else. So yeah it could suck unless it's rate was high enough to seriously impact tp gain and the actual shuriken dmg is comparatively as high compared to melee dmg as it was back in the levels it was good

[FaeQueenCory]

A thought occurs to me. What if the only way to unlock the new elemental avatar abilities, such as Hastega II, is to beat the respective avatar in these new fights? That might be one way of doing it.

Shush!!!!
They'll hear you!!
XD

Honestly... I'd rather they just make Garuda's Hastega BP variable like Geo/Indi-Haste, rather than a whole new BP. (It's already expensive enough already too!!)
That would also tie in nicely with "fixing" things like Titan's SS and Diabolos' Phalanx to have... Caps higher than lv75.
A 350 (or even 400+ considering no +Earthen ward gear unlike SS) and a 35 Noctoshield would be perfectly fine... It's not like RDM/SCH can't do it for 1/4 the cost and effort. (It'd still take 500+ skill or w/e to reach those tiers.)

[geno3302]

With the amount of damage that ifrit can pump out in certain events, it would be nice if they fixed avatars favor so it was possible to keep the DA+23% up on DD most of the time.

I have have been meleeing with my avatars and consistently been in the top 3 on parse (within a few % of the top at most)
We go in with a full, or nearly full, alliance and it normally ends up with ifrit as 9-10% of the damage and me as 2-2.5% of the damage. I use Garland of Bliss and keep AM3 up. On mega boss I back off though if the healer actually cures me like the other DD I can safely stay in range.
I believe we are at content level 126 atm, I don't expect to be able to do this much longer. Akamochi +1 caps ACC for ifrit and I end up around 85% ACC

[Karbuncle]

Almost forgot about the Combat Skill changes... I wonder what they will do for Dancer and the other jobs. I'm hoping for something good and interesting. Can I have a B+ in H2H for Dancer? Always enjoyed punching shit as DNC/MNK. Too bad our only ilvl h2h is Eminent Baghnakhs then there's the no Martial Arts... /MNK only gives up to 3 lvls.

Interested to see what they plan to change especially with Dual Wield. I get the feeling though they are going to increase DNC throwing skill and give them that throwing-kick attacks trait they want to give NIN. Chakram away!! *Xena War Cry*

Combat skill adjustments ?

[Sechs]

With the amount of damage that ifrit can pump out in certain events, it would be nice if they fixed avatars favor so it was possible to keep the DA+23% up on DD most of the time.

It's (was?) in their plans.
They said they wanted to change Avatar's Favour from "-potency, -perpetuation, +Aura effect" to "+potency, +perpetuation, +Aura effect".
Not sure if I like it, but it might be a cool thing.
The one thing they HAVE to fix and that they haven't mentioned though, is the Aura Effect bonus resetting each time you use a BP, be it ward or rage.

[The Assman]

Eerie Eye being in the preview got me thinking: they categorized Cait Sith's debuffs as Rages first, right? Maybe they recognize the ambiguity and will give enfeebling Wards their own category now.